Yomi expansion beta 3.1

The problem, though, is that if we disallow dodges specifically and then at a later date create a character with no blocks or no throws, we'll be forced to revise Flagstone Tax.

The discard pile version also gives you a guarantee that it won't likely be used in the first few turns. You could use that in balance tuning. If you give it an ability that would otherwise be too good early, it can still work.

Is this actually going to happen, though? You can't functionally remove an entire fragment of the R-P-S cycle in the game. The only reason it works on Rook is that the dodge/block cards serve the same function (and his special blocks are basically dodges that don't say "dodge", anyway). Yeah, maybe for the same reason a character with a bunch of dodges, but no blocks could work... but it doesn't seem like all that much is being given up? If Sirlin has made it through 20 characters without thinking this was important enough to do already, then outlawing it for the future isn't necessarily that big a deal...

Some folks were playtesting BBB last night, and we wanted to clarify something on Robo Headbutt. If it hits as your combat card, do you immediately start the next combo (7,X>Y) or do you finish the first one and start the next (7>X, Y>Z)? First one makes more sense to me, but it was a wee ambiguous. Also, second one has the potential for redonk damage into KD and range that I'm not sure is really intended (7>A, K for 22, KD, and Range).

Related, can 7* be followed up by Can't Combo moves? Seems like it could with the current wording.

I like this for flagstone tax for one reason. You can target a joker. I think it's kinda cool flavor for this kinda evil politician to be able to get away with more.

That's moving in on Menelker's gig though.
Joker discarding has to be Menelker exclusive I think. Also you more or less run into the Rook Dodge issue of easy free damage.

Mockup cards updated to 3.1.

Why not just roll Block/Dodge together for purposes of Flagstone Tax. I mean, is there really a big functional difference between them here?

"Name Attack, Throw, or Block/Dodge, etc..."

Worst case then you errata it in the FAQ.

Could just be changed to attack/throw. I mean, Quince only wants to stop harm from befalling people in his kingdom.
Most characters are fine to cough up a dodge, except the ones that really need them (Mid, BBB, etc.) and would probably pay the life to keep them, anyways.

Current wording of BBB's T is:
"During the powerup phase, you may return a face card from your discard pile to your hand, then discard this Salvage Components if you are not at Range."

A concern was raised that this doesn't really say what to do with the card while at Range, so maybe a better wording is:
"During the powerup phase, you may reveal this card to return a face card from your discard pile to your hand, then discard this Salvage Components if you are not at Range.

Zane should have 87 health.

Just wanted to reiterate my post from an old Persephone thread. I think she actually benefits from the normal draw thing more than some other characters so maybe that helps if that rule goes through, but I thought I was getting at the core of the problem here so maybe it'll be useful.

I think Persephone HP maybe closer to Valerie than Setsuki, in flavour terms, so maybe 80 HP? No idea

What Shiri said.
After a few days of testing her, Perse is not that bad. She wants to play rushdown (rushdown hp/atk & throw speed/J & Q) but her way of gaining cards requires her to slow down as compared to other rushdown characters.

Sets - Dump hand, get a new one
Val - Dump combos, get A's
Jaina - Atk, buyback
Gwen - Innate
Perse - Do combo, spend next couple turns empty throwing/dodge -> throw/blocking/mc

I can best compare it with playing block Val, instead of maintaining constant pressure, you give your opponent opportunities to disrupt you and get back into the game. Since throws are much easier to get around than blocks and attacking being encouraged, it makes Perse's recovery that much weaker.

I did some testing with the changes to her J/K that Shiri proposed and it made her K seem much more available as a combat option and made her feel like she was able to keep up pressure without seeming overwhelming. The throw buff could also work if the J/K buff proves to be too good.
As for her hp, in the games that I have played, it has not been that much of an issue.

I agree, more damage somehow. 7 HP throws, 9 HP King? King already is 8 damage and knocks down.

I notice Zane is not on your list. Do you not feel he is rushdown? If not, why not?

The problem with the king right now is not the damage, it is the fact that it can not be used easily enough to deal the damage in the first place. Yes, an 8 dmg K is relatively weak but all rushdown K's are. An 8 dmg K that is slow (8.8) and an opener which is antisynergetic with her inate is just a bad card for her. Making it a linker/ender would fix both of these problems, although as a linker, it may be too good.

I used them as examples as I have the most experience/most familiarity with them. Haven't done much testing with Zane yet

Maybe some of these would help?

1) Throws: 6 damage -> 7 damage. Reason: Needs more damage.
2) K throw: 8 damage -> 9 damage. Reason: Needs more damage.
3) 70 HP -> 80 HP. Reason: More Valerie than Setsuki.

Here is a Persephone suggestion based on a Dred idea:

Wild ride: Throw, Speed 11.0, Can't Combo, 5+5+5+5+5 damage (pump with any four cards).

My version was 6+6+6+6+6 because I don't hate damage.

Basically Summon Suffering in Yomi form.